In a comment made by Karen H. for a posting below regarding the notion that when you are sick, Jesus is "punishing" you, somehow, she gave her opinion that the comic seemed sado-masochistic.
Funny you should mention that . . .
While trying to find the source of the comic and whether it can be attributed to Jack Chick, I came upon the Christian Domestic Discpline website.
A domestic discipline marriage is one in which one partner in the marriage is given authority over the other, and has the means to back up that authority, usually by spanking.
I believe that is what the Brits lovingly refer to as the old "slap and tickle." But it seems to go beyond that, as this site explains in its definitions:
Domestic Discipline. Within the CHRISTIAN context it refers to a belief that the husband is to be submitted and under authority of God, and the family (wife, kids) are in turn under the husband’s authority. What separates DD from simply being common conservative Christian belief is that DD further holds that authority inherently includes the ability to take action.Bondage, Domination/Submission, Sadism and Masochism. Its aim is sexually erotic power plays and pain for the purpose of bringing about unity between the husband and wife. DD’s end result is submission in women while BDSM is to be used once the wife is in submission. DD is for training and it is where a couple should start. BDSM is for unity – making the two into ‘one soul’.Vanilla. Someone new to the DD lifestyle. Everyone starts here and hopefully continues until they are completely living in accordance with God’s word.
I'm not even vanilla - Lawdy, my husband and I are boring. But here's my point - if a Christian couple consensually finds it makes their conjugal love life more fulfilling to . . . well . . . y'know, one ties the other up and gets out a paddle or whatever . . . well, look, is that a bad thing? I am of the opinion that married couples need to figure it out for themselves and if they like the "missionary position" with a leather mask and a ball gag, who is to say that's wrong? Moreover, who is to say that there needs to be some Biblical basis for it?
Granted, what they are talking about here is the belief that this is how "true" Christian spouses define their roles. Again, if consensual . . . go for it. But if you are accepting this belief because you like the physical aspect of it, oh for Heaven's sake, if you're married and involves no pornography, just do it.
And also just remember - lock the door. Kids pick the darnedest times . . .
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The thing that worries me about that site you found is that it seems those who engage in such practices are actually objectifying one another. It's not love. It's not self-giving. It's outright abusive.
It IS possible, in marriage, for a man to lust for his wife and vice-versa, and even in marriage, that is ALSO very wrong.
EVERYONE is called to chastity, even if they are not called to celibacy, and it seems to me that DD/ BDSM, etc. cannot POSSIBLY fall within the definition of practicing chastity.
Even if they try to slap a "Christian" label on it, the label doesn't make it so.
Makes me very happy to be Catholic and have things to guide me to holiness such as JPII's "Love and Responsibility" and "Theology of the Body"
Would rather look to THAT to understand who we are than some twisted idea on the web.
Scary stuff out there, isn't it?
I don't see anything wrong with giving a lippy kid a spanking but for a man to raise his hand against his wife in the name of "discipline" is WRONGWRONGWRONG. He is supposed to PROTECT her.
Okay. There are Three Rules for Catholic Sex:
1. It must be confined to sacramental marriage.
2. It must be open to Life.
3. One must approach sex with reverence and respect - not only for one's spouse, but also for the divine Mystery in which we are participating.
Somehow, I don't think DD, S&M, whatever, fits the bill for Catholic Sex. Pity.
I, too, followed up by googling Jack Chick.
Having encountered and destroyed a lot of his poorly done "comics", I was surprised that he is opposed to the Masons as well as to the Catholic Church.
As someone has said, "Love your enemy, pray for him...it'll drive him crazy."
It's hard to read sarcasm on a printed page...so your 'what's wrong with that' query MUST have been sarcasm, right?
hmmmm, me senses sarcasm :), but that must be from the fact I use a ton of it in real life :)
You know, I now know why that picture connoted sado-masochism to me, because it actually IS. When I was in college I had a visual arts course, and one thing I remember specifically is that artists make use of diagonal lines (and consider that a diagonal line can be both imaginary and literal.)
look at where the Jesus figure's knee is positioned. Against the girl's crotch. If the hand hits the butt at that angle the crotch will be pushed into the knee. Kids being spanked on the butt aren't laid across a parent like that with the knee positioned there.
Now look at the stick up above thrust straight upward. Says it all doesn't it? And what is the triangular object the girl is hitting and why. Not so very subliminal is it?
It is Biblical for a woman to be obedient to her husband.
That is what CDD is about: a woman surrendering authority to her husband, and it works for many couples!
Also, a lot of women are turned on by spanking. What's wrong with that? It doesn't even hurt!
It's only abusive if the husband does not love and respect her, nor desire her ultimate good.
CDD relationships involve a lot of communication, trust, and intimacy. In that way it resembles a NFP couple! WOMEN SUBMIT TO YOUR HUSBANDS. It's for your own good
It is Biblical for a woman to be obedient to her husband.
That is what CDD is about: a woman surrendering authority to her husband, and it works for many couples!
Also, a lot of women are turned on by spanking. What's wrong with that? It doesn't even hurt!
It's only abusive if the husband does not love and respect her, nor desire her ultimate good.
CDD relationships involve a lot of communication, trust, and intimacy. In that way it resembles a NFP couple! WOMEN SUBMIT TO YOUR HUSBANDS. It's for your own good
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