I have read a lot about PZ Meyers and his desecration of a consecrated Host. I have visited his blog and have thought to myself, he's got links to his MySpace, his Facebook, and Twitter - what a narcissistic tool. I don't care if his best buddy is Richard Dawkins. You can be smart and a tool, and you don't get a free ride because you're crippled. I would like to think that Richard Dawkins might vehemently disagree with Christianity and organized religions in general, but have the good manners not to pull stupid stunts like his pal, PZ. But maybe I'm wrong.
But looky here - I know PZ committed a grave act when he desecrated the Body of Christ. But I don't think that was his greatest sin.
Those who persecuted Christ, who whipped Him and tore at His flesh, to those even He said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Mark 23:34. So too with PZ, whether he believes it or not.
Rather, I think PZ's greater sin was the fact that he was too chickenshit to go to a Mass and get the Host himself - rather, he posted a request for people to send him consecrated Hosts. He involved others in his act. Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe (in me) to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were put around his neck and he were thrown into the sea -- Mark 9:42.
You know what's funny? His blog claims to be comprised of "evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal" but has little of "evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations" (oh, ho, ho, ho, that PZ, he's so outrageous and hip!) and more of his ongoing fight against the religious and other nonsense.
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They JUST DON'T GET IT. If I broke into Myers' house and stole a picture of his mother/wife/children, then did unspeakable things to that picture and posted pictures of myself being vile w/ said item, I am certain he'd be upset. And that's JUST a picture. He doesn't believe it's actually his family.
On the other hand, he has shown a complete lack of respect, not just for Christ present in the Eucharist (he doesn't believe that, so from him point of view it is a "cracker" - bear with me), but for US. For Catholics. He has taken something that is not his, and then, in spite of the pleas of many who say that we believe that it is Christ Himself, has desecrated a Holy Object. Even if you take it from the point of view of an unbeliever, he has shown incredible - truly unbelievable - disrespect for his fellow man. I don't care if he thinks we're delusional. Obviously, only God Himself will change that. But he is also a complete jerk to intentionally and publicly do something to offend so many.
He's worse than any spiteful child I've ever seen, merely because he's old enough to know better. I've seen two year olds with more tact and respect for others.
Of course, I still pray for him. And I'll bet that bugs him all the more.
The man is so debauched one of his children has even blogged that laws against bestiality should be removed. Where did they get the utter lack of morality from? He's led others over the precipice.
I think that we must keep in mind that atheism, at its roots, is absolutely 100% Satanic. Only the devil himself could manipulate people into believing there is no God. It would then follow that they would seek to deface, belittle and destroy God Himself, since that is EXACTLY what Satan wants them to do. He knows he can't touch GOD - He only wanted to be like God according the the scriptures - So the next best thing is to make sure the appearance that God is destroyed is hammered into the created.
Pretty twisted little SOB.
Peter,
What causes more evil - Satan convincing people that there is no God, or Satan convincing people that he, Satan, does not exist?
I feel a philosophical post coming on!
If memory serves...was that CS Lewis? Personally, if I may be permitted to "both-ways Obama" it, I would say that both are equally as effective. If you believe that God exists and have ANY kind of substantial foundation in reality...you would HAVE to recognize that evil also exists...thus, for Satan, He must attempt to convince one that God does not exist or is not involved in our lives or is not the greatest thing in the world and tear HIM down as much as possible to the point of disbelief (then, I think, a natural result would also happen to be belief that evil doesn't exist either). Conversely, If you do not have a reasoned belief in God I think his tack would be to convince people that neither does he exist because the belief in the absence of objective good could easily lead to belief in the absence of objective evil. Maybe related in some tangental way to St. Thomas Aquinas 4th proof? I do not believe that Satan is a one-trick pony. He is, after-all, an angel and they're pretty wise in the ways of things, even if they are as corrupt as - oh, say B. Hussein Obama....Your thoughts? Am I there...or am I completely MAD????
...OOOOooooo I think I hurt my brain on that one...I need a whiskey......
Okay, if all these atheists claim to be so "enlightened" and "tolerant" of other's beliefs, why do they go around attacking everyone who is religious--desecrating a Host, when they know we truly believe it is the true body and blood of Jesus? This guy is "one sick puppy."
And Richard Dawkins--well, supporting his friends vile behavior--I guess being a cripple means you don't have to care about six billion Catholics, only your own Narcisstic needs.
But, no matter what they do in this very short life, they will be burning in Hell for all eternity, then I guess they won't think it's so cute that they did vile things with our Lord.
Like Dig said "they have a choice". We need to literally pray them into the RIGHT choice...otherwise they will be the main dish at the eternal BBQ....
Where is the lawsuit against PZ Myers? You allege him of stealing or may be of encouraging stealing, but you don't talk to the police, you don't talk to a lawyer. You just talk, talk, talk, but you take no action. Why doesn't anyone file a lawsuit? What's up with you people, what are you afraid of?
Henry,
Where is my allegation of theft?
In fact, securing a consecrated Host requires no theft since every Sunday, at every Catholic Church during the Holy Liturgy, they are handed out to the presumed faithful who come forward to receive them. The ministers who disburse them are usually on the alert for someone who does not immediately consume it, but a person can place it in their mouth, I suppose, and then surreptitiously slip it out later.
However, it still does not change the fact that a man so pent up about desecrating a Host is too cowardly to go out and procure one himself.
In the words of the immortal philosopher, B. Bunny, of the School of Loony Tunes - "What a maroon!"
Digital Hairshirt, since when is it a sin if someone throws HIS cracker in HIS trash?
And, concerning allegations of theft, they are all over the internet, in the first comment 'christine the soccer mom' makes it, too.
Do you agree that Mr. Myers had the right to throw his cracker in his trash? What is the crime that Mr. Myers committed?
Henry,
To a Catholic, it is a sin to discard a consecrated Host since we believe it is the actual Body of Christ. That is the gist of the outcry against Myers. So Myers' crime is against God, in the eyes of Catholics.
And may I say, too, since he did it to spite Catholics specifically, there may be a jursidiction where it could legally be a hate crime, much like disfacing a synagogue.
BTW, an individual can commit a sin by himself, since your first statement seems to imply "no harm, no foul" if he throws out something that is his into the his own trash. In the Catholic faith, masturbation is considered a sin so if YOU pound YOUR pud, well, you can explain it later to God, Onan . . .
Ma'am,
I don't think I want to live in a jurisdiction where throwing my cracker in my trash is considered a hate crime. And trashing a cracker is very different from disfacing a synagogue.
Why do you mention masturbation?
What about meaningful masturbation:
my new wife and I seriously want a child, and as we are both are around 40 years old, we recently had both some tests done concerning our fertility. Do you think it was a sin that I had my swimmers tested?
I'm very impressed by your sincere decency, when you used the word 'Onan' in your reply.
Henry,
I don't know - how do YOU feel about "meaningful masturbation?"
Do you think it's a sin?
And if you don't think it's a sin to throw a "cracker" in the trash, why do you even CARE about how Catholics feel about Meyers' actions? Why do you feel the need to post here?
My wife, who is catholic, and I (an atheist), don't think masturbation is a sin. Why do you feel the need to comment on Myers private actions?
Because he made them public! And it would be a good thing if you would actually read his reasoning, what is wrong with Myers reasoning?
Why do I feel the need to comment to you?
Because you made your opinion public, and I have to respectfully disagree with your opinion. It's called free speech.
If you think masturbation is a sin, that's ok with me.
If you think cracker trashing is a sin, ok with me,
but calling Myers a 'chickenshit' is as polite and respectful as calling me 'Onan'.
Henry,
Even insulting speech is free speech.
And Myers' actions are not polite and respectful.
And he is chickenshit if he wants to desecrate (note: he used the word himself) a consecrated Host that practicing Catholics believe is the Body of Christ and doesn't have the balls to walk into a Catholic Mass and get one himself.
You initially asked the question "What are you people [by which, I assume you mean 'you Catholics'] afraid of?" What is Myers afraid of?
I don't get it,
why do you want that Mr. Myers disrupts a catholic service? That would be inappropriate and possibly a crime (free exercise clause).
To clarify, I think Webster Cook behaved inappropriately, and this is all it is.
I'm sure Mr. Myers is happy to be a law-obeying citizen. Reading your original post it seems you think it is a sin to be a law obeying citizen ('PZ's greater sin...').
You are still only talk, and have not yet filed any lawsuit, because you know that Mr. Myers actions are not illegal. You simply sound like an angry person.
Here is my question to you, do you think death threats to Cook and Myers are a sin?
Henry,
Just because something is legal does not mean it is not a sin. As an example, abortion is legal in the United States but is a grave sin in the Catholic faith. That's a pretty easy concept to grasp.
You want as "proof" of Myers' sin for someone to file a lawsuit. Litigation is not the only form of censure. In fact, if you read the blogosphere, Masses of Reparation have been said for Myers and his act which is a religious function, not a secular one.
Your comments have become tiresome - post anything you like but this thread has run its course. I hope your wife can lead you out of the darkness of atheism.
OK, we disagree!
Nothing dark here, though.
Bye
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